Near Death Experience - In The Realm of God

Martha St.Claire, M.A., Website: http://www.marthastclaire.com -Near-Death Experience Speaker & Educator -Counselor & Spiritual Medium -Hospice & Gerontology...

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Comment by Nathan- King of the World! on November 23, 2011 at 5:58pm

I don't know if it is all really about science.  It is just that there is no evidence that any of these people are telling the truth about what they experienced, or if it really was anything beyond their mind.

 

As far as hearing things they couldn't have heard goes, I've had dreams before where I had a conversation with someone where when I went to have that same conversation with them they said almost the exact same things I remembered them saying in my dream.  It was likely because I knew them and knew what they would say, the way people who are having an NDE will likely know that loved ones are talking about them and what they are likely saying.

 

Psychics also know things about people they never met, but I don't believe in the supernatural of psychics that they are actually communing with the dead or can read minds through demonic power.

 

As far as science goes again though, it more or less comes to whether or not we have a reason to not accept it through evidence of something else.  I am not going to experience emotional turmoil over something I had once thought was scientific proof no longer is.

Comment by Liber Mens on November 23, 2011 at 7:47pm

One of the problems with LAD is that it isnt being tested.   Scientists are embarassed to study it (for fear of being called Whacks) and Religious leaders have no incentive to study it since they claim to already have the truth--so why study anything beyond the texts written hundreds of years ago.

Interestingly enough, there is an Anethiesiolgist in France who is actively testing LAD experiences.  He is in a critical care unit, so he is often confronted with death and ressucitation.  Apparently, he has set up an experiment where a screen is displaying  series of images not visible to medical staff or the patient (only a Hussier, which is like a French Marshal, knows which images will be displayed...or someone floating around the room).  Each patient is interviewed upon awakening.  His findings have not yet been published, though he implied in an article that no one has yet claimed to see the images. 

Also, an interesting thing about the "floating out of body" experiences.  I read that they are culturally specific.  That is, only people in Western influenced cultures make this claim.  I cant find the article anymore though, so take this for what you will.

The most striking thing about LAD, for me, is that as we learn more about the brain, we realize just how much we "are" our physiology.  My identity and experiences that define me as a unique person--are largely dependent on the processes in my brain.  In other words, without my brain, I am not me.  The more we learn, the less room there is for a "spirit" that houses all my experiences.

For example, the woman who saw the shoe on the roof.  How did she recognize it was a shoe without that important portion of her right hemisphere?  People with object agnosia are people who cant recognize objects.  This happens when a certain part of the brain is damaged.  How, then, could someone recognize an object--with no brain at all? 

The same can be said about face recognition.  People who suffer from Prosopagnosia, inability to recognize faces, have suffered from defficiencies in certain brain functions.  If the brain is required for these skills (object and face recognition), I find it highly questionable that the skills could be performed without a brain...when we die.

Comment by UTE on November 23, 2011 at 8:48pm

I believe there is a soul and a body, and that the soul has it's own set of organs or way of functioning. You ask how then, could someone recognize an object without a brain? I believe the soul is eternal and the body is just a temporary vehicle for the soul. Clearly you don't believe that way, but to answer your question I think the soul is perfectly capable if not more so than the physical brain to remember things or to store information. I believe the soul and the body are unified and that they work together and that the Soul can recall and store information just like the brain can recall and store information. 

This is just my beliefs. Go ahead and base your every belief on man's findings and I guess one day we'll find out who's right. 

 

Comment by Liber Mens on November 23, 2011 at 11:25pm

No, I dont have a belief about it.   I dont have enough information to form a belief about it yet.  I still just have lots of questions.  And your scenario raises some fascinating ones that it would be interesting to know more about--like where is the soul?  Do animals have a soul or is it just some substance that develops in the unique physiological aspects of humans?  And if so, which aspects?  Is it the human brain/body connection?  If so, what part of the brain/body connection?  Do people who injure that part of their brain/body connection--not have souls?

I dont know what you mean by "base your every belief on man's findings."?  Do you mean the Scientific Method?  All findings, even prophesies, are findings according to an interpretation made by Man, no?  Or did you mean something else.

Anyway, do we really care about who ends up being right or wrong?  I dont care about that.  I just care about being real and learning as much as I can while I am in this amazing place! :)

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 24, 2011 at 10:26am

Scientists changing their mind is not a negative.  It's a huge positive.  Self-correction is one of the greatest things about science.  Self-correction and changing their minds is something that believers in religion and supernatural things almost never do.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 24, 2011 at 10:40am
Comment by Idaho Spud on November 24, 2011 at 12:06pm

I think I can understand the attraction of the idea of life after death, and I can certainly understand the desire and hope for a better life than this life.

However, from my reasoning, and, I think the reasoning of most scientists, the odds are greatly against life after death being true, and so we don't want to waste our limited time and money worrying about it, when they could better be spent on a far more likely direction that science points us to.

A lot of people seem to think science is boring, but, the wonderful, awe-inspiring, and mysterious nature of  the universe is far more mysterious than any science fiction writer (or religious believer) could ever come-up with.

Comment by Liber Mens on November 24, 2011 at 11:52pm
I think presenting life as a temporary stop before some great afterlife minimizes what a miracle this life is!

If this is all we get, then love and justice and peace become all that more precious and this life becomes awe-inspiring...and we should feel even more lucky to be alive!
Comment by Liber Mens on November 24, 2011 at 11:55pm
Zman--if you do have psychic abilities, you should contact James Randi!! He gives a $1,000,000 prize anyone who can demonstrate their abilities. Of course, you risk him revealing the cold reading, etc. Other methids that psychics use...
Comment by Liber Mens on November 25, 2011 at 8:21pm
My reference to the bus stop existence comes from Abrahamic traditions, not my own beliefs.
It is the way many people in the U.S and middle east view life as taught by those traditions.

Quantum physics? Be very careful about believing anything Depak Chopra has to say about interconnectedness as it relates to Quantum Physics. He is full of misleading uses of scientific sounding terms. It sounds nice, but its wrong and he is makingmoney off the misdirection!

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