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This is still one of my favorite NDE accounts: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html
I had a after death experience that I had to reconcile with the fact that God does not exist. I did, The brain can produce some interesting effects on ones; coscience.
Our brain can do amazing things, including dramatically deceiving us.
We are very good at justifying our desires and beliefs.
Lack of oxygen in the brain can produce the light that some near-death people experience.
The Shoe on the roof story could be a coincidence. Millions of amazing coincidences happen every day.
It could be a lie. People lie all the time to support their pet ideas.
Science has found no evidence to support life after death.
Science is the best tool ever devised for understanding how the world works. Nothing else comes close.
Science is our BS detection Kit.
I believe NDE accounts are real, but I often wonder which ones are real and which ones are scams. For example, I think the book "Heaven is for Real" is a scam for the family to make money. A lot of the detailed Christianity things I heard that were in that book seemed very fabricated and really do nothing more than try to glorify Christianity and it is unlikely a 5 year old boy would have such an experience.
If it is something they wrote a detailed book about to sell copies to the public, I am skeptic of them from the start.
A lot of strange things have happened but to believe every one of them were a cause of some supernatural force seems insane to me. For example take the Chicago Cubs. In 1945 the Billy Goat Tavern owner was kicked out of Wrigley Field and placed a curse on the Cubs to never win another world series and they have had near the highest payroll since then and haven't made it to the World Series since. They even lost partially because of a fan interfering with an out in foul territory in the 8th inning of Game 6 when they had a 3-0 lead, and ended up losing 8-3 after an 8 run rally that inning. Do we really believe a goat had some magical power to cause all of this? I hope not, but it is a pretty amazing coincidence that all these terrible things have happened to the Cubs since 1945 and how they choke every time in the playoffs.
I'm a Clevelander and my fellow Cleveland fans often try to convince me that some curse by some higher power is the reason they can never win a championship in any of their team sports. Even when I was a Mormon I laughed at them and called them stupid dumb fucks when they tried to convince me of that.
If you guys are really interested in the truth on this subject.. I suggest looking in the various accounts... even some of the medical industry has been surprised by these accounts because of the accuracy of what has been seen during the 'death' experience when the person should not have known such information. Dr. Melvin Morse and Dr. Raymond Moody have done some extensive studies on the subject. While I am not a religious person anymore.... my spirituality hasn't been sucked away by bad religious experience. I am also a paranormal investigator... I have gotten intelligent responses to my questions live and have seen some amazing things.
It just seems a bit too bizarre to me. Life after death is a human made concept and people who didn't believe life after death didn't have these experiences when they were under similar critical conditions. I think the accounts are interesting, but I don't really buy them at this time because I would like to see it to believe it.
The kind of ones I find disturbing are the ones that people say they were in hell and came back. Those just make me sick.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you Nathan. You said: "people who didn't believe life after death didn't have these experiences when they were under similar critical conditions." I disagree with you because there are NDE's of people who were atheist and became Christian after their experience.
Thanks to Creativebliss and MikeUtah for sharing the links.
I like how Creativebliss says "anyone who proclaims that science this or science that, is equally on shaking ground. Science is constantly evolving and changing perspectives." I couldn't agree more. How reliable is science? Probably not as reliable as most believe it to be. I definitely wouldn't base my beliefs off of what science provides, but that's just me. It makes sense to me that God would allow us to have NDE's so that we can return to life and share our accounts with those around us to help strengthen our faith in that there is an afterlife or that there is more to look to other than just the limited amount of days on this Earth. And that there's not just the heavenly realm but there's also the realm of Hell.
I feel like some of you have zero faith and rely too much on evidence and science. Don't get me wrong I like evidence, I like truth, I like proof. But man, how do you get by being so dependent on what science says.
So you don't believe that rain comes from clouds, or that the sun is a source of heat and energy?
I guess I should have been a little more clear in that I wouldn't base ALL my beliefs off of science. I thought that would have been obvious though.
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