Not really sure where I'm going now as far as religion goes...

...just glad to be away from Mormonism! :)

Views: 61

Comment by Don on November 7, 2010 at 8:22pm
:), I am glad. I just do not want to turn in a "chain" for a "rope". Sometimes, like a "wife that gets beaten" we find something to replace what we feel missing. I am honest, love everybody, go to Mass 2-3 times a month, don't hurt anyone, and will not be hurt either.
Church, and i am scenically driven here, is where they corral you in some ways to get your $$$. It is, in all fairness, where like minded people gather. Just be happy with yourself. If you, not some butthole in Salt Lake ore some dufus with Bishop on the door, feel you have grown and are doing better you probobly are. Be a better person and not some flunkie that is herded for the content of your beef(cattle).

OK, two chows want to go out!! They are sweet belt high stinkers! :) And they really will be if i don't get them out to my neighbors yard, I mean, across the street in the field. :)

D!

Don
Comment by Enlightened on November 8, 2010 at 1:15am
@Don - you have mentioned a few times you have returned to Catholicism - in your recent post you mention Mass 2-3 times a month - you also often talk about the $$$'s of TSCC - is there no money involved in the Catholic church? Just curious....
Comment by Enlightened on November 8, 2010 at 1:38am
I see one can no longer reply to a particular comment underneath it....or is that just for me? ;-)
@ Kristie: glad you gave that story about the bully and your sister's reply.
Your question was "would I have realized that on my own if she hadn't said it" and that got me excited because that is my point exactly.
When we are born and growing up SOMETIME we have to be told what is right and wrong I don't care where it comes from.
IMHO I believe we do not just automatically have that knowledge when we are born - take a 1 or 2 year old - they have to be TOLD to do that and not do that. Usually this is a parent - now answer this question ---- where did that parent learn the difference between right and wrong to begin with....I'm not talking about when they are able to make decisions for themselves when they are older - I'm talking about way back when...
So to me, it is all very well to say treat others well, do good, etc., -- but it is still defined by some standards that you have learned somewhere along the way.
Now once again I may even have confused myself with this posting - but today is not a good day - I have lost my voice and that is like a major issue ------if you know me.....
Comment by Enlightened on November 8, 2010 at 1:38am
I see one can no longer reply to a particular comment underneath it....or is that just for me? ;-)
@ Kristie: glad you gave that story about the bully and your sister's reply.
Your question was "would I have realized that on my own if she hadn't said it" and that got me excited because that is my point exactly.
When we are born and growing up SOMETIME we have to be told what is right and wrong I don't care where it comes from.
IMHO I believe we do not just automatically have that knowledge when we are born - take a 1 or 2 year old - they have to be TOLD to do that and not do that. Usually this is a parent - now answer this question ---- where did that parent learn the difference between right and wrong to begin with....I'm not talking about when they are able to make decisions for themselves when they are older - I'm talking about way back when...
So to me, it is all very well to say treat others well, do good, etc., -- but it is still defined by some standards that you have learned somewhere along the way.
Now once again I may even have confused myself with this posting - but today is not a good day - I have lost my voice and that is like a major issue ------if you know me.....
Comment by Don on November 8, 2010 at 8:16am
Hi Deepsea,
Salt Lake gives the donation process a bad name in every way. Other Churches (Cath as well) pass the plate. Most voluntarily put money in the basket, some don't. Some Catholics tithe, some don't. It is a personal growth thing. No one in the freakin world m does it like The Morons do. Salt Lake just short of sends a bill collector to your door to collect your voluntary donations. I have heard of Bishops asking to see pay stubs.
In the Catholic Church donations are not the focus, the soul is. But the lights and payments have to be met as well. Hoppefully that answers it. If it dosent, let me know.

Don
Comment by Enlightened on November 8, 2010 at 9:03am
@Don, Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I do assume you know that the Catholic church is rated amongst the top 3 richest churches in the world?
Must be an awful lot of personal growth going on there! - sorry! couldn't resist! Know you wont take offence. :-)
I also read that the Pope is considered one of the most wealthy men around - now whether that is true I don't know. I cannot imagine what he would want with so much, considering the lifestyle perceived.
Comment by camianders on November 8, 2010 at 10:22am
In my personal experience, when your parents/elders don't teach you something, you will usually pick it up elsewhere.

Growing up (and still today), my mother was very absent due to mental illness and prescription drug addiction. There were many 'manners' that I didn't learn from her but rather from school friends. For example, I never knew that you were supposed to show your guests to the door when they're leaving. That was something that I learned from my friends, rather than my siblings or parents.

We all learn right from wrong, whether it's from our parents, friends, or society in general. How we handle that knowledge is our own personal decision.
Comment by Don on November 8, 2010 at 10:46am
I wouldn't get to intense about it. Religion is not the only source of standards, morals, standards or ethics. They really love it when you think they are because it empowers them. Ever seen a dog left out in the cold? You took no class in that nor did you get it from an authority figure. It touches your heart, and you want to either not participate (murder, causing pain) or you want to fix it (people yelling).

You would have turned out fine with or without religion, dare I say you did turn out fine INSPITE of religion! Mormonism could make an iron I beam bend. They are just that whacked. I feel we learn through socialization, our relationships with others, and more. religion, IMHO, is not the best or only place to learn things because they teach you to "kow-tow" and give them credit for the sun coming up that morning....and they did not even so much as open the curtains that morning. They can be manipulative self serving bastards.

Know of your own innate goodness.
Don
Comment by Don on November 8, 2010 at 11:01am
I enjoyed your humor, :) Catholicism is rich in history, art, tradition and buildings. It is the original and oldest Christian faith, first in the world in many respects (can you feel my pride! :) Problem is that you cannot even buy a jawbreaker with a building. Art, we recieved it from the original guys like Mike Angelo, DaVincis own hand. But it is not money. It is "things". Our sisters, the Greek Orhodox, are the same way.

We do not send out bill collectors, or deny you a temple recommend (thus denying you heaven) for not paying the 10% premium for heaven possibilities. Right now, at this point in history, because we trusted small few and did not watch we have some financial issues, justifiably and understandably.

We are hardly as rich as people think. They see the art and buildings not realizing that we have owned it for over two thousand years in some instances, but could not buy a darned thing with it! It's like having a 3,000 Rolex and wanting a hamburger. :) hahahaha

As far as the Papal money...we have what is called St Peters Pence, a fund we can all give to to fund the Pope. Plus, the vatican is a nation. It prints its own postage and does all the things other nations do.

Comment

You need to be a member of Life After Mormonism (exmormon) to add comments!

Join Life After Mormonism (exmormon)

Our Stories

Follow us on
Facebook & Twitter

Videos |Stories |Chat |Books |Store |Forum
Your Donations are appreciated
and help to promote and fund LAM.
Make a Donation
 

Privacy Tip: Setting your profile/My-Page visibility to "Members Only" will make your status updates visible to members only.

Top Content This Week 

Community Links

Map

Videos

  • Add Videos
  • View All

We are an online social community of former mormons, ex-mormons, ex-LDS and sympathizers. Stay C.A.L.M. - Community After Leaving Mormonism

© 2017   Created by MikeUtah.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service