I am a proud member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. And this website is a hurtful thing to everyone who believes in The Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, all of the former Prophets, and most of all people who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave His life for all of us, including all of the members on this website. All of the members on this website know deep down that this is the true church. You know it. And no matter what you do, say, or post, out Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ will love you no matter what.

John 3:16-

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Comment by pollypinks on April 3, 2011 at 6:34am
You said it!  Not me!  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish.  Now, I'd say most here are atheists, and that is their personal right and choice, and as a universalist, I believe they will be just fine.  If you'd like scriptural references for my belief system, I'd be more than happy to share them with you if you post me.  My tbm father has not found any fault in them.  Of course, he prefers adding his on top of mine, which is natural, and it was never ever my intent to hurt my parents.  At this writing, I do not believe I have hurt my father.  I do think that the church puts alot of added pressure on SOME people to perform, when the above scripture doesn't state performance.  Yes yes yes, faith without works is dead.   We can discuss that one if you'd like to as well.  Welcome!!
Comment by Nacho on April 3, 2011 at 7:29am

This is... sad.

You are free to believe whatever you want. Does it make your life better? Good for you. But saying that a community who supports those who were shun by YOUR particular religion is "hurtful" is a little bit offensive. Good ahead, stay around and read our stories, you will find that YOUR particular religion has caused a lot of damage to individuals and families. If there is anything in common among us, ex-mormons, is that we all are better off and, yet, the behaviour of YOUR religion is so pervasive that we struggle to shake the shackles that were put on us.

Peace.

Comment by Enlightened on April 3, 2011 at 11:59am

Proudmormon - I commend you for reading what many would consider "anti mormon" views (and forbidden as a tbm) on this site - at least you do not seem to have a closed mind. Good for you! Now having said that -----I will watch out for your progress as you discover "things" you never knew about your religion like I did as a 26 year standing member and hopefully you too will say "enough is enough" and become a bonafide member here.

My "biggie" was that Joseph Smith said he was greater than Jesus Christ" - and that from Church History!! (Vol.6, pp. 408-09). Can YOU accept that??

Comment by pollypinks on April 3, 2011 at 2:19pm
My biggie was that Joseph Smith actually took other men's wives and married them.  Read, "In Sacred Loneliness, The Plural Wives Of Joseph Smith", a book written by a true member of the church.  It's historically and factually the closest thing we've got to putting the polygamy issue to rest.  Someone else's wife, or an underage girl, isn't needed to promote the church.  Planting the seed that way isn't needed by an omnipotent God.  Look at the polygamy mess in Utah and other states right now, and the chromosomes that are fairly new and showing up with members of the same ancestry marrying.  Huge.  That was the one for me.  That, and the fact that Emma didn't play ball with this.  Hardly family first, and sending all those men on missions and then marrying their wives?  Or, sending the polygamists on missions and leaving the women to tend to themselves?  Come on, this is a no brainer, and I never, ever, met a fellow sister who wanted to research it with me.  Never.
Comment by pollypinks on April 3, 2011 at 2:34pm
I've spoken too much today to Proud Mormon, but would like to re-iterate that many of us have never been shunned by the church.  There seems to be an assumption that everyone made a horrible mistake a got kicked out.  Maybe for a few, but really, don't you think they'd already be back in if they wanted to?  I was not excommunicated or disfellowshipped.
Comment by Jane Eliot on April 3, 2011 at 2:39pm

It is form of emotional abuse to tell someone what s/he really feels, making your post abusive. Of course you don't know what is in the hearts of million strangers. How absurd. There is no daylight between what you posted and people say, "I know Mormons are unhappy in their hearts, and they want to come unto the real Jesus." Humph. There is also no different between what you posted and someone who says, "I know darkies are happy living in shacks without hot and cold running water or enough to eat. I just know those darkies better than they know themselves!" 

 

You would be better served by finding out what is in your own heart.

Comment by pollypinks on April 3, 2011 at 2:41pm
Let's just go through Mormon Doctrine, and learn the actual date that the general authorities stopped the printing of that book, and find out why.  Then you and I can talk.
Comment by CamBam on April 3, 2011 at 9:41pm

Awwww ProudMormon, I can see my own sweet mama posting something like this.  I love her so much yet can't pretend to believe something just to please her.  I'm honest with her and she's honest with me, and we have a respectful, loving relationship, because she recognizes me as an adult and she believes in free will.  She also knows that I am not a bad person.

Proud Mormon, I appreciate your concern.  Each of us is on a journey and we can learn so much from each other.  Good luck on your journey.  I don't mind that you are posting here, but please try to lower that wall in your heart that stands between us and you.  See us as people, not as projects.  Know that many of us have spent tearful nights on our knees, many of us tried so hard for so long to believe in the church, and realized that we were better off with out it.  

I've talked to God.  I've let him know what I'm going through.  And if he (she?) is there, and knows as much as he/she supposedly knows, he/she knows my intentions are good and that I am open to believing in the church if I ever feel that it is true in my heart.  The problem is, in 23 years of struggle, I never felt that it was true in my heart.  All 'evidence' aside, all debatable church history and criticism of church members and leaders aside, that's what really matters.  And my heart rebels against it all- the treatment of women, gays and lesbians, and just 'different' people who don't fit the church mold- I was miserable trying to conform to the church and it's beliefs.  If they work for you that is awesome though.

I don't think that your posts will have any effect on the members here.  We've been both in the church and out of it, and our lives are better outside of it.

Comment by Enlightened on April 4, 2011 at 1:34am
Just for the record....(maybe this could be a new blog) I was not excommunicated, disfellowshipped, whatever.... I DECIDED for myself to resign AFTER learning stuff about my supposed religion that did not sit well with me.
Comment by mistyjune on April 4, 2011 at 2:20am

I also was not excommunicated or disfellowshipped or asked to leave. I sent my resignation in and demanded to be released from the church and its records. However, telling you, proudmormon, my reasons for leaving won't matter to you unless you are also questioning the church and have a gut feeling that it just is not true. This site is not hurtful to me, it has been helpful. I have met and spoken with several like minded people and we've worked through issues together, seperating what we were taught as Mormons and what life is really about for us, what rules and feelings came up for us from Mormonism and how it affects our relationships with others, and what applies out there in the real world.

Honestly, I have never understood why someone choosing to believe or not believe in any specific religion actually hurts someone else. What you're stating here would be the same if I registered on one of the LDS websites and told all of them that their choosing to believe in Mormonism was hurtful to me. You'd tell me that your belief doesn't hurt me as you are not forcing your beliefs onto me or forcing me to go to your website and read it. In fact, I don't know you at all so basically any decision you make has no real direct effect on me and can't be considered hurtful. Basically almost any defense given as to why I shouldn't find your religious beliefs to be hurtful to me can be applied to this post you've created. and as CamBam said- we've all already been where you are, we know too much to go back.

If you want to be Mormon I will not attempt to try to convince you to leave your religion- even if you want to know why I left and what information I or anyone else has found. If Mormonism works for you then great. That is your decision. This was ours. The world will be a much better place if people of all religions or lack or religion just accepted each other for who we are and loved unconditionally without some desperate desire to try to change everyone to one particular belief system claiming we know what's best for them. We're all different and we should love one another despite our differences, even embracing those differences, instead of brewing ill, sad, or hateful feelings towards those who believe or think differently than we do. Jesus did it, I'm sure we can too.

 

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