Milk before Meat or Bait and Switch

So one of my main problems with the church is the whole policy of “Milk before Meat” or as I like to think of it “Bait and Switch”. For example, missionaries won’t tell investigators that Joseph Smith was killed in a firefight in which he maimed and killed people. Or that Elohim had sex with Mary, or that Black people were, for approximately 7,000 years, considered to be inferior to Caucasians due to the choices of Cain, Ham, and their position during the “war in heaven”. They will tell you that you can be with your loved ones forever, and that Jesus and Heavenly Father love you, that you have a purpose and there is a plan for your life. I wish that the church would be open about its doctrines, no sacred/secret temple ceremonies, no milk just meat and doctrine. I would have more respect for the church if they said what they believe rather than suckering people in with platitudes. To paraphrase Paul Toscano, family home evening isn’t what got the pioneers to walk across Wyoming, it was doctrine.

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Comment by MikeUtah on August 31, 2011 at 3:44pm

"milk before meat" or more truthfully "bait and switch" is very common among fundamentalist cults/religions.  You have a nice, friendly and happy story on the surface that would lure most anyone in, and then after they've got you, more deep doctrine is thrust upon you.  This bait and switch is even practiced on born in the covenant youth.  The church is very different as a child or youth than it is as an adult once initiated in the temple.  I remember church being on the funner side for youth activities but then it became primarily drudgery as an adult where instead of being given nourishment we are primarily asked to give, give, give until you can't give any more.  Steven Hassan discussed "milk before meat" tactics in his book "Combating Cult Mind Control" even.

Comment by Nathan- King of the World! on September 1, 2011 at 7:20pm

I think the milk before meat is a better term than bait and switch.


Bait and switch I see it as them giving you something that feels warm and fuzzy to start off with but ends up being different after you find out you have to change your whole lifestyle just to join them.  

Comment by MikeUtah on September 1, 2011 at 7:48pm

@Nathan, isn't that what "Milk before meat" actually does in Mormonism?  The terms seam synonymous to me.

Comment by Nathan- King of the World! on September 1, 2011 at 7:59pm

I guess so.  However, milk before meat I was referring to studying more of the different doctrines, ones that are more complex and difficult to understand.


The bait and switch I guess was something that struck me more as having to find out you need to do certain things in your life to get a temple recommend and being worthy of salvation.

Comment by Nicholas on September 1, 2011 at 11:58pm

Well people wouldn't join the church (at least at the rate they currently are) if they knew the things that make absolutely no sense. They become baptized believing the nice things about Mormonism and later learning what they got themselves into and what they should believe, so that's why I think bait and switch is appropriate.


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