The home teachers came by a few days ago and we (my mother, her parents, and I) had a lovely chat, even though I don’t agree with their beliefs. However one thing that came up struck me as odd, to understand it here’s a little background. My grandmother is what I would call a Mormon survivalist. She is 73 and has told me she won’t die, but that she’ll be “twinkled” and she oftentimes brings up the fact that one day we are all going to head back east to Missoura, yes Missoura, to build up Zion. These outbursts of millennial joy are often random, so as we were chatting about families coming to move in with their elderly parents, Grandma brought up how good it was to have large houses here in Utah. That way when the California Mormons are reverse trekking they will have a place to stop and rest, before that God-awful walk across Wyoming (my words not her’s). Apparently she heard something along these lines from BYU professor and of course accepts this as gospel truth. This gleeful fascination with the end of the world really bothers me. Why do so many good, kind, and loving people get raging hardons for the worldwide bloodletting and possible nuclear holocaust when Jesus comes?

This is the cognitive dissonance you get with Mormonism. When I hear people talk in glowing terms about that “great and dreadful day” I get pissed. These fear mongering pieces of garbage live to scare the gullible, the mentally ill, and the young. How much money do you think Brother Beck gets from scaring people into buying gold and food storage? How great is it that you can be a respected and admired figure while profiting off of fear. It’s pathetic when we need a general “authority” to come out and say the end isn’t as near they led us to believe. When I was a little kid I knew Armageddon was coming and it scared me shitless. Every time we had a nasty inversion I knew this was it, and my mother had to calm me down. A good deal of my childhood had fear, self-loathing, and a suicide attempt, all because of the Mormon Church’s nonsense. So if you think that Mormon doctrine doesn’t hurt anybody, or that fear mongering about a made up end time is harmless than you are just as delusional as the people who believe and preach it. 

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Comment by pollypinks on December 17, 2011 at 6:28am

I think your grandmother, not so elderly since I'm 58, snicker, is off her whacker.  I've never met anyone who talks like that, and I live in Idaho.  And I was sorely disappointed when I made the god awful yearly track to Dessert Books for something for my dad's 89'th birthday, and saw Glenn Beck plastered all over the store.  This, after Monson announced the church politically neutral.  I was actually sick to my stomach, and had a hard time finding a gift, knowing my dad feels the same way about Glenn and Rush as I do.

Comment by PhiloSophia on December 17, 2011 at 10:53am

You'll find apocalyptic doctrines being accepted by people around the world from various religions practiced around the world.  This has always been so as long as religion has existed.  I have noticed a pattern here in America, where apocalyptic doctrines seem to be discussed more during particularly troubling times, i.e., 9/11, our current economic catastrophe, etc.   It appears to be a means of psychological escape from the stresses brought upon during times where we are fearful, a way of denying what is happening around us and facing it for what it is, and avoid dealing with it soberly.  When I hear people talk this way, I approach my response as if we were going through a drill, i.e., "Well, what exactly would you do if we didn't have access to water/food/etc? And let them think though and discuss their plans.  It's a way to help them manage their feelings of  vulnerability while helping them get a sense of control through their fear induced thoughts.


I agree with you and share your frustration when some, like Beck, take advantage of that fear for profitable gain.  It's unethical.  Unfortunately, there will always be individuals who will feed off of the fear of others

Comment by pollypinks on December 18, 2011 at 4:46am

I have a very close friend who moved several states away to be closer to her family many years ago, and she belongs to a very fundamentalist Christian group.  Only dresses, hasn't even trimmed an inch of her hair for 30 years, all to "please" the Lord.  You get the picture.  Why we seem to fit so closely has everyone baffled, but we really get along wonderfully, and have shared awful times when our sons were teenagers.  Well, she used to say, "If the Lord doesn't come next week", and it drove me nuts, so I finally asked her to stop.  She said she was unaware it was bothering people and stopped immediately.  But that's the way a lot of people think.  They are gonna get out of their problems very soon, and in a very fast and painless way.  Sometimes I wish I could buy into it.

Comment by pollypinks on December 18, 2011 at 5:17pm

Glenn Beck told all who belonged to churches who espoused social justice to leave them immediately, for within one year they would be bonafide communists.  I saw the broadcast, and that was over two years ago, and I'm still in my Presbyterian church, that preaches social justice.  Got over 500 back packs made this year for local school children.  My God, we must be a horrible lot, mustn't we?  And this from a man who's never read Mosiah, where there are clear references to social justice.

Comment by Paganman on December 19, 2011 at 1:04am

I left the church for good in the summer of 1980 at age fifteen.  For years I had been tortured every Sunday I couldn't get away with faking sick by bastards teaching end of the world doom and gloom in Sunday School, in Primary, in Aaronic priesthood meeting.  In a way, I wasn't really faking sick.  Every Saturday night I'd get myself so worked up over the prospect of church the next day that my stomach would be in knots.  I had a religion teacher, Mr. Chadwick, when I went to American Heritage, a private LDS school in seventh grade.  Every day, we dreaded his class.  He would describe in vivid gory detail being vaporized by nukes, mayhem, neighbor against neighbor, etc.  That was the religion class.  No Jesus stories, nothing uplifting.  Just ARMAGEDDON.  The kids would be white faced.  Sometimes in tears.  I hate mormonism for that more than any other of the thousands of things wrong with it.  It is child abuse, pure and simple.  I HATE christianity, islam and I HATE judaism for spawning the other two even if Jews don't proselytize.  I didn't say I hate the people.  I save people hate for special folks like Pat Robertson, the despicable Spencer W. Kimball, Glen Beck, Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell.  

      On a side note, a toast of Johnny Walker Black Label to Christopher Hitchens, who died last Thursday.  He's not in heaven, looking down, or roasting in hell for his disbelief.  His wonderful, brilliant mind is simply no more, and his cancer-addled meat-sack is cooling in a Houston morgue, but his legacy lives on in his writing and other media.  Someone said he had a death-bed conversion.  He called over a priest, and with his dying words, convinced him to become an atheist.  Someone else said that if there is a heaven, he's up there convincing the supreme being that he doesn't exist!!

Comment by pollypinks on December 19, 2011 at 4:39am

Paganman, It is so good that you got out at a young age, when you could heal your mind and your emotions, and make something useful of your life.  Most of us were in it far too long.  I must say that not all other religions preach what you were exposed to, and your hatred of them is limited to the few sects within the so called group that do.  I am a believer, but not in such end of life nonsense, and not in any limited kind of doctrine concerning all people either.  The people you named are but a few that I also loathe.  Add James Dobson to the list, and you're getting hotter.

Comment by Paganman on December 20, 2011 at 12:59am

I got out early, but it did a LOT of damage.  I wasn't a vacuous little kid who just put my time in at church, in school, or anything else.  I took it seriously.  I listened and  I dreaded.  I DREADED having to be exposed to such concentrated terrorization.   I dreaded the end, Armegeddon, I used to sit out in the yard and look up into the sky and wait for the blast. I'd wait to be become part of the mushroom cloud.  I believed that was the "twinkling" someone above wrote about.  Imagine taking a little seven year old who's afraid of ghosts and sitting them down for a marathon of really scary horror movies, "The Exorcist", "Rosemary's Baby", "The Evil Dead", "The Omen", any Freddie Krueger, Halloween, or Friday the Thirteenth movie.  Wouldn't you agree that would be severe emotional child abuse?  That's what I went through, without the comfort of thinking, or being told it wasn't real, it was just a make-believe story.  I remember at age 12 seriously considering suicide so I wouldn't have to wait in terror for Jesus to come back anymore.  So I could be in charge of my end.  I still have a drawing I made at that age of a big mushroom cloud with Jesus, arms outstretched, superimposed over it like he was being crucified to the explosion.  I will never, ever, forgive the mormon church - and for that matter, all churches, temples and mosques of any Abrahamic belief, for exposing me as a child, and the world in reality to their horrific belief and push for the end times.  I don't believe in prophecy, but I believe in self-fulfilling prophecy.  The last few years I have been a zealous "anti-missionary" and take any opportunity to bash, shame, and ridicule theism of any stripe, but with focus on xtianity and islam.

Comment by pollypinks on December 20, 2011 at 4:52am

Well, one certainly cannot blame you for your situation.  Would it be proper to call it church imposed PTSD?  I think it was teacher imposed PTSD, since many of us didn't hear what you heard.  Actually I did hear it, after I left the church, but was an adult by that time and able to make my own conclusions about biblical accuracy or interpretation for that matter.  That good thing is you got out.  But I still believe there are many churches out there who don't preach what you heard, and whose people go because they receive some sort of service or affiliation, and they shouldn't be damned for doing so.

Comment by Paganman on December 20, 2011 at 6:07am

Polly, I don't want to make you think I go trolling for theists to rip into for no good reason, or stand out in front of churches handing out anti-religious tracts.  But when someone asks me if I've accepted Jesus, or I go to YouTube to watch a video and the comment section has a theistic debate going on (which is almost EVERY video about ANY topic !!) I jump in with both feet.  Like I said in my last post, I "take" any opportunity, but I don't generally "make" them.  I also do what I can to avoid making waves with my extended family.  Except for my pagan/atheist brother (yeah, there's at least two of us in the world), and an uncle who is some kind of Baptist, all of my family on both sides are mormons.  None of them have disowned me or even made me feel unwelcome, and in return, I don't take them to task for believing in utter bullshit. But in a format such as this site, I feel free to say what I think with a minimum of self-censorship.  I believe there are churches that do a lot of good or provide affiliation, but I think that anything positive can be done through secular channels and affiliations as well.

Comment by pollypinks on December 20, 2011 at 10:03am

Paganman, I hear you, I really do.  I've been through more bullshit with fundamentalist churches than I ever did in mormonism, and anyone who stands by the roadside with a sign, trying to cause an accident, deserves to have a new asshole put in.


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