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I'm feeling so much discontent

Started this discussion. Last reply by Sari Apr 9, 2012. 8 Replies

I've always known in the back of my mind, something was not right in the church I was growing up in. By the time I was 14 or 15, I knew it wasn't right. I had done extensive research, even at that…Continue

 

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At 10:25pm on April 8, 2012, tethercarguy said…

From tethercarguy. Here's another great site:   http://www.mormonthink.com/

At 8:02am on April 5, 2012, Dan said…

Sorry I messed up and posted twice and my last comment was omitted on both.

Hope I was not to long winded. As for your husband you either have to support each other with love in opposing views or he has to get on the same page as you. And that is done through knowledge.Do not create a hell on earth to live in. Be free and alive.

 Good luck .Dan

At 7:56am on April 5, 2012, Dan said…

Jumping off a bridge is a definite no no, and rolling fatties is not to good either. I love your free spirit and quest for the truth. Keep searching in all fields especially science. If you can not go to school take a night coarse or at least read. Knowledge is power, As far as your family and in-laws go, they ether love and accept you for who you are or you will have little to no time for them in your life. If they can not support you or build you up do not let them tear you down. Irving in Mormon country is different from living as a Mormon outside the apron strings of the church. You can have friends of all cultures and races and we can feel that we are all equal but different. I am now attending university and hear is perhaps the most important principles I have learned on how we learn and make choices.
How Do We Make Choices?
Six Modes By Which One Obtains Knowledge
1 ) Authority
We take someone else at their word
We have faith in an external authority such as a professional (think all realms of human activity: religion, education, politics, parental figure, etc.) or even a friend (associate, stranger, etc.) or a written work (Bible, dictionary, web page, etc)
I have faith in the authority of …
2) Deductive Logic
Subject beliefs to the variety of consistency tests that underline deductive reasoning
Since A is true, B must be true, because B follows from A
Valid example    All men are mortal
                           I am a man, therefore I am mortal
Invalid example  All criminals oppose government
                          Parliamentary opposition opposes the government in power
                          Therefore, Parliamentary opposition is criminal
I can deduce logically what is true

3) Sensory Experience
Gaining direct knowledge through our five senses.
We hear, smell, see, touch and taste.
This is a source for obtaining knowledge.
I know because I saw it, heard it, tasted it, smelled it, or touched it myself.
One must remember that our senses can be fooled. Ever seen a magician?


4) Emotion

Feeling that something is right.
Technically, one should not associate feeling with ''thinking or judging” but humans do it all the time.
One is able of course, to claim that an external source (divine, spiritual, psychic etc.) caused the feeling and therefore affirms its validity.
We feel that it is true.

5) Intuition
Unconscious thinking that is not emotional
Many, if not most, creative discoveries are intuitively – driven.  Only later do they get 'dressed up' by logic, observation or some. Another source that can be delegated or claimed as divinely guided
I was confused or perplexed and suddenly the solution came to me and I just knew it was true

6) Science
A synthetic technique that relies on:
Sense experience to collect observable facts
Intuition to develop a testable hypothesis about the facts
Logic to develop the test (experiment)
And sense experience again to complete the test
I tested the hypothesis experimentally and found that it was true or false.
(Taken from lecture notes at York U

 

The scientific method must be repeated and have an outside evaluation to minimize any random factor.

 

There is one more method by which we learn and it is connected to emotion, logic and the senses, and that is experience...Experiences sometimes produce illogical results. For example if one was able to survive ------------------ by ---------------, you fill in the blanks. If by yelling, screaming, hiding, fighting, threatening, praying, throwing salt over your left shoulder, etc; worked, one will have a tendency to repeat that method even though it may not be the best solution

 

Too many of us base our decisions on the faith we have in the first 5 methods of learning ins

At 7:54am on April 5, 2012, Dan said…

Jumping off a bridge is a definite no no, and rolling fatties is not to good either. I love your free spirit and quest for the truth. Keep searching in all fields especially science. If you can not go to school take a night coarse or at least read. Knowledge is power, As far as your family and in-laws go, they ether love and accept you for who you are or you will have little to no time for them in your life. If they can not support you or build you up do not let them tear you down. Irving in Mormon country is different from living as a Mormon outside the apron strings of the church. You can have friends of all cultures and races and we can feel that we are all equal but different. I am now attending university and hear is perhaps the most important principles I have learned on how we learn and make choices.
How Do We Make Choices?
Six Modes By Which One Obtains Knowledge
1 ) Authority
We take someone else at their word
We have faith in an external authority such as a professional (think all realms of human activity: religion, education, politics, parental figure, etc.) or even a friend (associate, stranger, etc.) or a written work (Bible, dictionary, web page, etc)
I have faith in the authority of …
2) Deductive Logic
Subject beliefs to the variety of consistency tests that underline deductive reasoning
Since A is true, B must be true, because B follows from A
Valid example    All men are mortal
                           I am a man, therefore I am mortal
Invalid example  All criminals oppose government
                          Parliamentary opposition opposes the government in power
                          Therefore, Parliamentary opposition is criminal
I can deduce logically what is true

3) Sensory Experience
Gaining direct knowledge through our five senses.
We hear, smell, see, touch and taste.
This is a source for obtaining knowledge.
I know because I saw it, heard it, tasted it, smelled it, or touched it myself.
One must remember that our senses can be fooled. Ever seen a magician?


4) Emotion

Feeling that something is right.
Technically, one should not associate feeling with ''thinking or judging” but humans do it all the time.
One is able of course, to claim that an external source (divine, spiritual, psychic etc.) caused the feeling and therefore affirms its validity.
We feel that it is true.

5) Intuition
Unconscious thinking that is not emotional
Many, if not most, creative discoveries are intuitively – driven.  Only later do they get 'dressed up' by logic, observation or some. Another source that can be delegated or claimed as divinely guided
I was confused or perplexed and suddenly the solution came to me and I just knew it was true

6) Science
A synthetic technique that relies on:
Sense experience to collect observable facts
Intuition to develop a testable hypothesis about the facts
Logic to develop the test (experiment)
And sense experience again to complete the test
I tested the hypothesis experimentally and found that it was true or false.
(Taken from lecture notes at York U

 

The scientific method must be repeated and have an outside evaluation to minimize any random factor.

 

There is one more method by which we learn and it is connected to emotion, logic and the senses, and that is experience...Experiences sometimes produce illogical results. For example if one was able to survive ------------------ by ---------------, you fill in the blanks. If by yelling, screaming, hiding, fighting, threatening, praying, throwing salt over your left shoulder, etc; worked, one will have a tendency to repeat that method even though it may not be the best solution

 

Too many of us base our decisions on the faith we have in the first 5 methods of learning ins

 
 
 

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