How is it that one child in a TBM family will grow up totally committed to the faith paradigm while another child in the same family grows up with the, "show-me!" mind-set? Are there particular…Continue
"Yes, and I'll suggest that BECAUSE your parents didn't DO anything that's on that list when you were young, you and your siblings were all able to escape the 'abyss of faith' that Mormonism demands. Sounds like the TBM…"
"Man, after reading this list I came to one conclusion. In order to succeed, my parents really screwed up. They didn't do hardly any of that stuff, and we lived in a house one block from a catholic church and school. Dad called…"
"Yes, it is really, really 'chilling' to think of children's feelings being so manipulated they know neither what to feel or when to feel it unless prompted by their parent(s) or a church leader. It's one thing to mess with a…"
"Isn't that the truth about "feeling the spirit" on their terms as dictated by the church! If you don't feel it, there's something wrong with you! Just recently, my wife's grandmother wrote on facebook wall…"
"A rather chilling discussion, actually. As for feelings, it's my observation that they not only tell you what to feel (Warm fuzzy feelings), but where and when to feel them. (And even when not to, on occasion..). Failure to feel the promptings…"
"I hear you about habituating early the practice of helping others. For me I didn't resent doing the service but resented that it was always the church's agenda so there was never time to do self-promoted good works...."
"I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to maintain a positive mental attitude about things. It's how we cope with things when they turn bad that is important. I'm not talking about suppressing such feelings,…"
"Sorry for not understanding where you were coming from. Your recount of what you remembered is chilling in it's implications. The story of how you broke out of that cycle must be highly interesting/inspiring!"
"Uhmm...dude, you misread and misunderstood my reply...please read again.
I am not advocating the mormon position. I tried to explain it as I remember it and then gave an example from Holland of the conditioning and mind…"
"So, if a child is feeling bad because, for example, her puppy was just run over by a car, that 'bad' feeling comes zooming in from this mythical source called SATAN? Even if you have a quote from some scripture to back up your…"
"I'm going to respectfully disagree with this:
"Teach your children that their emotions cannot be trusted. Reinforce this by teaching them to feel bad about their own ideas, and to feel bad about feeling bad."
How is it that one child in a TBM family will grow up totally committed to the faith paradigm while another child in the same family grows up with the, "show-me!" mind-set? Are there particular steps TBM parents take that will make the former happen more often than the latter? Having grown up in a TBM household myself, with the distraction of T.V. and the computer, my own experiences were very different than what children today are exposed to. Living in a rural community, with little exposure…See More
Born and raised in Mormon church. B.Sc.from BYU; M.Ed. from Univ. of Alaska. Lived and worked as school administrator in Alaska for many years. Started reading Sunstone and Dialogue in the 70's and by '79 my TBM wife decided I'd become, "apostate and wouldn't take her to the Celestial Kingdom, so I'm getting a divorce," At that time we had 'retired' to Cache Valley (a big mistake) and I was teaching the Elder's Quorum and working in the scouting program in the Smithfield ward we attended. After many painful years of seeing our children used as a sledge hammer against me, I have a good relationship with my two boys but my two girls and their families are still brainwashed TBM's, except for my oldest granddaughter who came to visit me and my non-morg wife in Alberta this year. She is such a wonderful, responsible young lady and I'm so proud of what she's making of herself as she works on her nursing degree and builds so many wonderful friendships.
Interests and Hobbies:
Living in Mexico. If I could only convince my wife... But, we still have a good life in Calgary and love to travel (mostly to Mexico), read, walk and meet friends every Saturday at our favorite Legion centre
Punish By Rewards and No Contest by Kohn; No More Bull by Howard Lyman; What's So Wrong With Being Absolutely Right by Judy Johnson; The Poisonwood Bible by Kingsolver; Coming To OUr Senses by Jon Kabat-Zinn; The God Delusion by Dawkins; the 3 volumes of The Mormon Delusion by Whitefield; Guns, Germs and Steel by Diamond
Anything on "Masterpiece Theatre"
Favorite activity after mormonism?
Sending "Truth Bombs" to my TBM siblings and relatives