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So is the sin next to the sin next to murder still a sin ? Continue

Ex-mormons= better lovers?

Started by CamBam. Last reply by Paul Dec 19, 2015. 10 Replies

A lot has been made of how mormonism can ruin your sex life, but has anyone run into this?I've had insanely satisfying physical relationships with questioning/exmormons- so much passion, the ability…Continue

Does the bible say anything about sex before marriage?

Started by MikeUtah. Last reply by Carrie Nov 12, 2015. 4 Replies

(new discussion for Sparrowlark's quesiton):Okay, So I know that everyone interprets the Bible differently, and I know that not everyone on this site believes in Christianity or God for that matter.…Continue

Have your opinions on PORN changed?

Started by TheMama. Last reply by Carrie Nov 12, 2015. 87 Replies

So, as I've released myself from TSCC my opinion on many things has changed, sometimes dramatically... as I'm sure many of you can relate.I was wondering about other people's thoughts on porn... have…Continue

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Comment by Brian Utley on March 15, 2011 at 8:26am


Garments don't even make much sense in the context of the Mormon temple ceremony.  I have a blog dealing with this.  Something I wrote years ago.  But here is the gist:

Adam and Eve were counseled to put on the animal skins from the animals that had been slaughtered for sacrifice as a a symbol of Christ's great and final sacrifice.  When Christ came to earth in the Meridian of time and did what he did, apparently very effectively, or so the temple story goes, the need for the symbol should have been done away.  That's where the veil in the temple becomes of interest (the same veil that has the same marks as the garment...can you see the consistency here?)  When Christ did what he did, the veil in the temple was rent or rended.  Through Christ there was no longer a barrier between man and God.  And we stopped killing the animals and burning them and harvesting their skins.  This suggests to me that we should put on the garment in the temple as part of the story as it leads up to Christ, but the pure symbolism tells me that we should take it off, since the barrier is no long present---or needful as a symbol---after the patron is shown what Christ has done---and after the patron excepts this; i.e., in the Mormon temple ceremony we should have passed through the rent veil naked, without our own "personal veils."  And we should never have worn garments forever more.  That's where the purity of the symbolism takes me.  And that's where the logic of the Mormon temple ceremony falls apart...IMO.  Of course, the whole thing is an invention; but one should rightly expect logical consistency.  And there is none respecting this particular episode of the temple experience.  Hence, lovers of men and women and lovers of Christ are kept separate instead of being brought together.  What a burden the so-called Church of Christ foisted on us with this kind of il-logic and nonsense!

Comment by Brian Utley on March 15, 2011 at 8:01am
I don't know what I would have done with my own seven children regarding masturbation, because it was not an open issue back in the days.  But now, around here, JO parties are a regular diversion and we take delight in the response and celebration of our bodies---but, then, we've become nudists (horrors!) and sexual libertines (double horrors!) since we realized that sex is good, not bad, and maybe the greatest gift to human relations the universe and human evolution has given to us.
Comment by Libby on March 15, 2011 at 7:54am

I'm SOOOO glad i never got the no oral talk. that is a major part of our sex life. we just never discussed it with anyone. besides there was enough guilt over masturbation. I only let my husband know I masturbated about two years ago . . .  only to find out that he never had. ever. 


I do not want my son that frightened of his own body. 

Comment by Cinco on March 15, 2011 at 7:54am

Garments sucked.  I remember the day my wife took them off... damn.. that was wonderful!... then she put them back on for a few more days... Ugg . You could see a difference in her when she had them on compared to when she had them off...   She seemed open and full of life and not constricted..  I told her what I saw.. she took them off again and never put them back on.. ;)  Not to mention what it felt like to sleep without them as already commented on..

Comment by Jessica on March 15, 2011 at 7:48am

Yeah, my bishop told me that, "No matter what you've heard, oral sex is not okay."  Well, I hadn't heard, because I'd not talked about sex at all with anyone, as per instruction of mormon leaders and parents--so I didn't even know what it was.  But he explained, "It when someone kisses you down there."


Ah, well, now I had a hard fast rule to follow.  So as a young fresh beautiful bride, I did a number on my husband.


There we were in the middle of our most passionate sex ever, and he goes down from my boobs past my belly button toward my you-know--and I am seized with the biggest fear, and pull his head away from me and say, "No! Not there."


Worse than the whole  "mwaa mwaa let me take those garments" situation.  Yeah, it didn't matter that I had no idea what oral sex was, but that my husband was heading "down there" with his head was so frightening that I simply shut down the whole sexual experience.


Incidentally, our sex life changed after that night, and was never the same again.  For some reason, he was afraid to get turned on.


The church is more than irresponsible with its reckless advice, it's hurtful.  Very hurtful!  Young innocent people are being damaged simply because they trust the advice of those who are supposed to know what is best.


I find it very disturbing, and am so glad I left the church!

Comment by Brian Utley on March 15, 2011 at 7:47am
Your bishop was right in line with Charles Darwin and other Victorian social nincompoops (natural selection, aside).  Darwin's treatise on how it was a sin for a man to love his wife too much was the rage of the day.  Whoever whomped up the oral sex rule was so much a throwback to Victorian times he should have been dead and buried a hundred years ago.
Comment by Libby on March 15, 2011 at 7:39am



ours are very mwah mwah.



Comment by pollypinks on March 15, 2011 at 7:38am
I don't think the people on the ward level giving out advice about the wearing of garments know what in the hell they are talking about.  It seems to vary from bishop to bishop, stake to stake.  Opinions and traditions seem to take the forefront, while common sense that should be left to the couple takes a back seat.  Nobody ever said anything about my garments.  I'm glad I didn't have to go through menopause in them.  And a bishop renewing my temple recommend asked me if I'd ever had oral sex.  I told him none that was any good.
Comment by Brian Utley on March 15, 2011 at 7:35am
That's the kind of kissing noises they made when Jess was with her ex.  In the eight years we've been married, our kissing noises have morphed more into yahuumsqitch, oyahuumsquitch---now that I think about it, it makes me wonder if we're actually on the right track.  (But these bare-skin kisses applied equitably over the entire body do take on a life of their own)
Comment by Libby on March 15, 2011 at 7:31am

exactly! and they are all fitted and tucked and  . . . it was an absolute revelation when he could put his hands on my skin while he held me. didn't even matter that I didn't want to be held, it was just so intense to be able to be touched that way. 


also I thought your reenactment of kissing noises was very convincing! ;) 



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