In my investigations as to what "my religion at the time" was really about, I think Joseph Smith using the hat with a peepstone must surely rate at the top of the list in being a shock to my system causing me to investigate further.
For me it was mind blowing to say the least, because all pictures and testimonies had depicted something so totally different up till then. This is what sent me on a quest to find out more and to find out things for myself and not just believe what others were telling me as 'the truth'.
I started with 'approved" church history and from there realized why there was the wording "anti mormon literature" - a very clever ploy to keep me ignorant.
I was just wondering what your "Big Shocker" was...?.
I always thought being progressive was a good thing - TSCC used it often enough in "eternal progression"
Turning point, That bishop was an asshole. I regret that my parents didn't teach me to think for myself, so that when jerk off assholes like that would come into my life, I could have just laughed at them and gone home.
yep...we listened to those we should have laughed at and laughed at those we should have listened to. Ahh, the lessons we finally learn.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that your not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes!"~ W Gibson
^^ Love that!
Vegan2001-Good point about those assholes!
I'm old and have had a lot of bishops and branch presidents during my tenure as a Mormon, and most of them were fairly decent sorts. But across the board, their ability to give advice in peoples' lives was pretty middling, if not downright ill informed. Yet, in a ward, it is as if a bishop wields absolute power and his voice is often regarded as the voice of the gods. I'm remembering response after response from my fellow priesthood holders, where men had been convinced that it was a prudent thing to do to consult with the bishop regarding matters of business and critical business decisions before moving ahead---and definitely regarded imprudent not to. Of course, this is genuine bullshit, with often devastating consequences. The day it dawned on me that the bishop's advice was little more than homespun philosophy at best, and downright pronouncement without a clue, was a very illuminating, maybe even "shocking," day in my life. IMO the same can be said for the "leading" brethren of the Church. They try to give "mandatory" advice respecting anything folks give them a chance to talk about and pontificate on. Almost always with terrible results---terrible because I believe that anything that leads a person down the false path of Mormonism with all of its maze-like dead ends and detours is fundamentally bad and a tragedy. Bad seed, bad tree---that sort of thing. Fundamentally, Mormons are missing the boat, and (as I said before) don't know how to swim. If it doesn't begin with our doggedly following parents that operate with little more than dogma, it certainly begins with our kowtowing to the bishops and their minions in our life.
Brian, I think fundamentally many of us, perhaps female, lose the boat due to our parents. Any problems or questions we have brings us dire consequences from our active parents. We trust them, love them, believe that they would have our best interests at heart. I say this because I lived in a house rife with abuse, yet, compartmentalized that when I went to church and listened to testimonies. When my dad became a bishop I was so proud for him, and it didn't occur to me that something was terribly amiss. Here he was at home screaming and yelling at us, punching holes in the walls, bloodying my brother's face, yet the brethren thought he was an angel. And it absolutely never occurred to my mother to tell anyone about this. Nobody knew, in fact, until my husband went to my father's bishop to report abuse towards my teenage son. They yanked his temple recommend for a year, and surprise surprise, he started behaving himself.
I am a convert never really active ... so did not know much about the mormon doctrine until i started to research information on the web.
I have not resigned from the church .
What hurt me most was Joseph Smith and Brigham Young using revelations to enroll new wives without their current wife(ves) having any knowledge of it or any say in it. Plus the obligation for women to have as many babies as possible. Blood atonement was also a big shocker for me ... and the shunning of children or family members who started to have questions or not behave the mormon way..... the lack of understanding of the human condition.
But i think there are positive things in the mormon church such as the focus on family, the healthy lifestyle (though a bit extreme sometimes), the sense of community and the activities organised by the church such as dancing, getting together.
I think family praying together is nice too.
But i really dont like the fact that men are considered as God and have all authority .... it is not only arrogant and disrespectful of God and other human beings, but very danfgerous.
Hope i can make new friends on this blog ....
I am still a spiritual person .... despite all
Marrying and having numerous pregnancies after a doctor, even two, has decided one shouldn't, should be a huge red flag for women. Walking around pregnant and ill is hardly my idea of pleasing God, and hardly my idea of survival, in the long run. I thank my lucky stars that my tbm parents taught us all they knew about birth control, and that when difficulties came my way, I felt no guilt for having two children, followed by a necessary hysterectomy. Women in the ward kept whispering to me ,"I'm sorry." For what??? Having less worth than them because I could no longer spawn?