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Permalink Reply by Don on January 11, 2011 at 3:04pm

Please email me on this Blood Atonement case that was carried out.  I would be interested in learning more about it.  It is so sad.

  People have no idea of the dogmatic, powerful life and death (literally) games that were played.

 

Don  gmail is my email provider and dstrevel goes in front.  dstXXXXX@gmail.com  

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Permalink Reply by Enlightened on January 15, 2011 at 9:12am

Hi Chip (may I call you that?) how far down South you want to go? - try Africa and that is where you will find me - in fact right at the very bottom of it!! Does that answer your question? LOL I'm a very lonely little soul here - wonder why no other members....?

Had a good giggle about the Kermit/Miss Piggy connection - after the holidays maybe I should change my profile name to ------ Gloria (as in the movie Madagascar) ;-)

I have chosen for myself the 2 letters from the Deseret Alphabet which I am including as my email signature as it spells out my nickname. Love it!

Was very interested to read the name Pitman brought up - Shorthand was my claim to fame in my working career - still use quite a bit of it - had such an excellent teacher that it was difficult to forget - it does make for fun when you want to write stuff you don't want others to be able to read - and oh yeah - a bit of a brag here - I could write 130 wpm .....but that was long ago - bit rusty now...

Thanks for the posting - most, most interesting.

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Permalink Reply by Jean Bodie on January 15, 2011 at 10:40am

Hi my friend, have you heard of the Detroit Manuscript? That little gem was discovered and held jointly I believe by none other than Joe Smith's maternal uncle and his business partner and coincidentally some of the characters were the same as those supposedly sent to Professor Anthon as characters from the 'golden plates'. Wow, so many 'coincidences. The other coincidence is that they are similar to Pitman's shorthand in some instances. http://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga/saga02b.htm

I did shorthand too back in the day, but not for long and most of it has disappeared from my memory. Miss Piggy, if you take a look at the link, perhaps you can tell us from Joe's copy of the characters and the Detroit Manuscript what could be Pitman's shorthand. I know that it was used to send secret letters at one time. If you can please check it out for those of us who dont know shorthand or have forgotten.

Thank you.

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Permalink Reply by Enlightened on January 15, 2011 at 12:46pm

Hi Jean, very strange noises going on this site - never experienced that before - hope it is not anything sinister LOL - opened the solomonspalding link and briefly scrolled down - I notice that the pictures are not available to me to see but the article is - have not read any of it - need time to do that - it is going on time to clean up before going to bed - it has been a day of sorts.

I take it that the pictures that I cannot access are what you want me to look at - that being the case this could prove difficult - perhaps I can briefly explain that my service provider package does not allow me access to some things - YOUTUBE is one of them and downloading (many things) also. I guess in a nutshell it is a case of what you pay for is what you get and my package is one with limitations. So let me read the site you sent and take it from there. No, I have never heard of the Detroit Manuscript - you should know here we were very limited to many things before internet - and then having got it - leaving - some things just were not worth delving into. Hope this makes sense - need some sleep! Take care - hugz x

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Permalink Reply by canadianjohnson on January 10, 2011 at 11:23pm

Will these materials be available online? My dream is to have high resolution copies of everything from LDS history so that I can tell people about the early church and back it up with an online link showing the truth of what I'm saying.

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Permalink Reply by Susan G. Emmett on January 11, 2011 at 12:13am

But if they were in a University's library collection, wouldn't they consider that credible?

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Permalink Reply by Don on January 11, 2011 at 3:07pm

Members of the LDS Church will swoon and blink their eyes to know that God himself, by his own hand instructed UNLV to develope a Mormon section.  I wonder if there is a Catholic, Lutheran or Baptist text as well.  Oh, there is none.  Is it because it is motivated by the LDS to create something to take people to.

  As if the Mormon Fun House (Temple) were not enough!

 

Don, living three miles from UNLV.

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Permalink Reply by Phil on January 15, 2011 at 4:26am

 

Does anyone remember the pre-correlation era, when in Britain we had our own LDS magazines?
Could not resist posting this from the very early 60's, as it happens to feature Linda and her triplet sisters, who was later to become my wife. (and now my-ex, but still a TBM living in Manchester).

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Permalink Reply by Enlightened on January 15, 2011 at 4:34am

bit before my time but I just love this picture! Cute as a button they are!! I am somewhat amused that the little girls were sleeveless - something I found so ridiculous during my membership - that children should have sleeves on their clothes - so preparing them for the garmies.... I was always intrigued by the whole suit and tie thing too - especially when you live in a country with temps soaring... oh well - that was another time another season - Thanks for sharing the pic.

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Permalink Reply by Phil on January 15, 2011 at 4:44am

Thanks for your kind comments. My father-in-law was a branch president in London, but I think he had yet to attend the temple.(which was probably not even built) But I think its so funny how cheesy "American" they were made to look!

I too hated being garmied-up and the creased-up suit and tie nonesense! Hope you are enjoying nice weather? (it is S. Africa where you live?)

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Permalink Reply by Enlightened on January 15, 2011 at 4:50am

yip! SA it is and while we are having good weather where I live, up north they have been having a bad time of flooding... so sad, the losses are huge but nothing compared to Australia's floods.  Unfortunately it is always the poorest of the poor that suffer the most when there are natural disasters.

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Permalink Reply by Jean Bodie on January 15, 2011 at 10:24am

The first issue of the Millennial Star came off the press 27 May 1840 in Manchester, England. It began as a monthly publication edited by Parley P. Pratt. Over the years it changed to a semi-monthly, then to a weekly, and finally back to a monthly.

 

Just a little bit of trivia for you all about the Millennial Star, which I remember clearly Phil. I didn't join until 1967 and that great piece of propaganda was still going strongly. That is a cute picture though; happy little Mormon girls = they had the truth right? I forgot to add my newspaper article didn't I? I am still going to try and if Wesmanly and any others want to copy it, feel free.

On the issue of resigning from the Church - yes, I do encourage it for those who are DONE with the Church. Many people think that they are not going to jump through the Church's hurdles anymore, they have no power over them to make them do anything anymore and while that is true, I concur with my 'porcine friend'' in that they still have your name on the records of the church as a member so in a way they do still maintain some power over you. I suggest you force them to let go by resigning. Only by seeing that their numbers are dwindling ever faster will they make any changes for those poor people left behind. Can we abandon our comrades? Then we are just as callous as they were in abandoning us when we left. The people who start up these kinds of groups haven't abandoned those left behind; they are here for the doubters and any others who need a community.

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